The Riddler wrote:i don't know what you mean, pvp in wow is amazing, there's lots of different options (arena, bg's, world) and it's all organized well so you can jump right in (usually) whenever you want. what other mmo's can say that? the only thing that's really lacking is world pvp, but it was nerfed intentionally to protect lowbies and make the grind easier.
the thing that makes wow so great is the community, hands down. wow is as close to an open-source game as it gets, with the UI code being open-source, and they constantly implement what ideas the community comes up with. it's beyond just a 'best-of' of previous mmo's - it's constantly evolving and basically stays on top of the best ideas because the people who play it come up with them. that is why it will be the best mmo for a long time to come.
as for storyline, if you're like me and you've played rpg's since you were 8, there really can never be a storyline that will capture my attention. and BELIEVE ME, there are plenty of lore-whores in wow...when you talk to them in vent you have no fucking idea what they're talking about. there is a huge storyline, but i just ignore it because i watch movies and read books for better stories. every fucking story in an rpg is essentially 'omg, world is ending, you are the chosen one from the simple land, and you have to travel through the world to save everything.' almost all rpg/adventure games involve a shit load of gathering quests, and it sucks, but wow realizes that and makes it extremely quick.
julia i don't even know why you're talking poorly about wow and pvp, lol as far as i know you've only leveled a toon to like 20. the game doesn't even start until you hit max level (70 for now).
I think the PVP isn't welldone because it's not balanced and it's TOO dependent on gear and level (well, level only in lower brackets - and yes, I realize it's an MMO and to some degree HAS to be based on that, I just think WoW takes it too far) and not enough on skill. From what I've experienced of WoW PVP (and I admit, it's nowhere near as much as you or anyone else on this forum) it's just lack luster and doesn't do anything to keep me interested in playing.. I dunno, it's just not exciting, it's just math and stats, I like games like subspace where the only skill that matters in a duel is your dexterity, and your ability, not what stats you have based on how you spec and what gear you have on your character. That's not a skill. That's just sort of... Lame. I leveled a character to 60, Ridd. Just not on your server.
And honestly, the community is not that great, it may be friendly, but it also has the intelligence of a retarded eight year old. All I ever saw in that game on various servers has like "PENIS LOLOLOLOL" humor, it was stupid. Don't get me wrong,I can handle that humor from time to time, but jesus christ, it was a constant, never ending river of stupidity. Scratch that, it's an OCEAN of stupidity. Even people that I know in real life who play it that are extremely intelligent people act like morons in that games. It bothers me. Also, when people aren't making terrible jokes, they're arguing about their character builds. That'd be like me and you arguing over the best way to duel. Who cares? Nobody. So we don't.
I also don't care about things like custom UI's, while they may add some functionality, it seems, for the most part, it's just for aesthetics anyway. I spent a long time deciding whether or not I like WoW, I always knew I had a problem with it, but it was subtle at first, hard to put a finger on. But what it comes down to is this: It's all futile. Why would I waste my time dungeon crawling for hours and hours every week to farm gear I don't need that will be obsolete when the next round of gear is released? And while you claim it evolves, I disagree, I think it claims it gives you something new but it's really the same old crap in a new package. They don't actually change anything, they just add in new dungeons and new gear that looks exactly like the old gear except it has different stats. The noly thing that really does change in gear is the ridiculousness of the shoulders. lol.
I agree and disagree that most RPG's have similar storylines, but there are plenty that don't (Shenmue, anyone?), I've played RPG's since I bought my SNES when I was a kid. What it comes down to, is that I have extremely high expectations for RPG's, why would I settle for less? I get WHY people play world of warcraft but they aren't the same reasons why -I- play games. I actually want a challenge, I don't want everything handed to me like they do in WoW, what's the point? I want a game that's engaging, that challenges me, either some kind of skill or compels me with a storyline. WoW has neither.
And while there may be lore, you'd never notice without some kind of background knowledge from previous games (which I don't play and never will) so even on the are occasions there might have been some lore in the game, it didn't register... On that note, lore is not the same as a storyline.